Atheist Interview (6)

“Hello atheist….I’m glad you could make it.  Before we begin would you like anything, coffee, tea, coke?”

Maybe a coke.. thanks.”

“Do you know the Bible says an atheist is someone with no morals? One who altogether has become filthy and does abominable things? Do whatever since there is no god to guide you. Jeremiah the Hebrew prophet in his book said it is not within man to guide himself. So it follows that man is a lost creature without guidance.”

“I think not.  Yes I know the Bible says this that atheists are fools and depraved. As for guidance I guide myself with my evolved mind and brain.”

Jeremiah is right because many have gotten lost in woods and could not find their way out. This could happen to you. The human being has no way of navigating himself to safety and home unless he is guided by signs and words he can understand. So how do you figure you can guide yourself? What would you do without instructions on everything you buy?”

” I’m intelligent enough to figure it out.”

“So you don’t need the North Star? Or instructions on any box of dried food telling you how long to leave it in the microwave before it s ready to eat? You could just figure it out? Tell me how you would know what the speed limit on all roads everywhere is if you had not been told? Please explain this. Oh I forgot you think everything just happened and what did just happen by blind chance will guide you. Then with your next breath you say that there is no god and do not need his guidance to prepare ie: a simple meal that comes in an unmarked box or can. I can see it now your refrigerator and cupboards filled with unmarked foods and you will just figure it out. I can see you now sailing the seas off course and not needing the North Star or anything to guide you. ”

“These things you mention just happened and they happened without a god to guide me so I won’t get lost. No god needed to find my way home. What I do need is there because it evolved to my advantage. I admit I need instructions on anything I buy so I can know how to use and maintain it.”

“Can you explain why some things evolved to your advantage and other things did not? I can explain why things are as they are. But you tell me why some things are for you and others are not? Please don’t say that is just the way it is. Chance!  Blind luck! I need some evidence to support your statements. Believe me I need evidence or I cannot believe  in anything. I am an empiricist.”

“Let me begin with this. I’m familiar with the saying going around there is no God says the fool in his heart.  But I do not live an immoral life. People who claim to be followers of the so-called Christ are the biggest  immoral living and troublemakers and liars and hypocrites on the planet.  If an atheist is one who lives immorally than the fundies are the true atheists. Each day the news presents another lying preacher who decided to leave Christianity or he discovered he is a homosexual or an adulterer and so on. Give me a break it is the fundies that are destroying the planet and life as we can know it.”

“Lots to cover….So are you married? It is none of my business if you are. But if you are married and commit adultery you are an atheist. Really an adulterer;  anyone who commits adultery is not a smart person. To live as if there is no God is what an atheist really is. How could any sane person sin  knowing it would destroy his home and life?  That is being real dumb. A fool really. One would have to be very stupid to go with another while committed to a marriage. Adulterers live as if they had no one to give account to.  He lives as if there is no God. Everyone gives account to God whether he believes in God or not.  Rob a bank and watch the law hunt you down to punish you according to the commandment You shall not steal. Adulterers live as if there is no God, and so do liars, thieves, rapists, murderers and the list goes on. These offenders can live as if they believe in no deities, but the powers that be will hunt him down if he does even one thing contrary to the laws of God. And the powers that be are not people sitting in positions on government’ The powers that be is conscience; the powers that be IS God.”

“I need evidence of all that, outdated yellow manuscripts telling of a god won’t do, only if those yellow manuscripts tell of Hitler and Homer than I believe it.  And Yes I’ve been married for ten years and my spouse is an atheist also. Do I cheat on my spouse? No I do not. Does my spouse cheat on me? I hope not. I don’t see any point in cheating. I remain faithful to my commitment to marriage. We just don’t believe in any deities or gods. We are true to each other because we want to be not because any god says we must. We don’t think it is necessary to go to church and roll around on the floor than go home and gossip about my neighbor while holding a Bible in our hands.”

“Being true to each other is obeying the commandment do not commit adultery. Whether you acknowledge it or not this is what you’re doing. If you do not steal or lie and bear false witness you are obeying the laws of God.”

“You have no  evidence for that.”

“I have thousands of years of history to back me up.  And your life is a witness to this. But that one document called the Torah is the only document in existence that says this. Before that was the Hammurabi (Babylonian) code, the one that allowed the husband to have sex with the servant of the wife. It was laws made by ancient people who had no guidance from above. They made these so called laws according to their feelings and emotions, not according to wisdom and love. Do you really think the code of Hammurabi would have been embraced if they  had known the consequences of their decisions?

“What evidence do you have for a code of Hammurabi? Archaeology proves evolution not religion. There is evidence for evolution not for Christianity. I’m an atheist because I see what religion has done to the world. All the wars and bloodshed throughout history can be blamed on religion. I’m an atheist because I see suffering unimaginable, that if there was a god he would eliminate it. I’m an atheist because it just makes sense to be one. What kind of a god allows kids to die of cancer? What kind of a god allows anyone to die of starvation and disease? Wake up there is no god and IF there is he is not a good god.”

“Here is what you just said. You deny history unless it fits your thinking. You claim to be kinder than God. You judge all Christians by those who only professed it. You claim to have the answers to the world’s ills while doing nothing about it. Newsflash…He is a good God and thank him he is or we would all be in deep unfathomable trouble. We also would be starving to death. I want it to end also but those in charge of decision-making let it continue while ignoring the cries of those who do care. Looking around me tells me God is good. If it was as you say, we would all  be dying of disease and hunger and pain. Most of us are not. And if the most of us gave the least of us there would be no hunger and disease and wars and pain. People did all this not God.”

“If there is a god he is unable to end suffering and death. If there is a god he is not a good god seeing what is happening on this planet. The bad news is a an ongoing occurrence. If there is a god he is either unable to end suffering or he is unwilling. There is no other alternative for him, if he exists.”

“According to your finite thinking you make infinite judgments. I see your statement as unfair. You haven’t seen the end of things, there will be an end, then you can say this or that. But to make that judgment without seeing his side is just unfair. He said he would  end all wars and suffering. He promises this and this is what we look for. He told us to do these good things when he gave us his laws but no one kept them.”

“He has had thousands of years to end it. But wars continue and so does suffering and death. In fact it is religion that has caused it all. If there were no religion there would be no suffering. It is obvious he doesn’t care if he does exist. How can a good god allow such atrocities to continue while demanding people to worship him is anyone’s guess. If people did what they wanted it would still be the same and no law of Moses can change that.”

“You mean if we all lived under the Nuzu laws we would all be happy and free? Under them every woman who was not able to conceive can have a child by her servant or neighbor. I’m sure this would not go over, as history attests,  even though there are a few rare birds out there who think surrogate is the way to go.”

‘I don’t need any laws to tell me right from wrong. I know to do right and I do it to the best of my ability. I choose not to lie, bear false witness, trip blind people, laugh at calamity. I choose not to steal, embezzle from my employer, and commit adultery. It is in my choices that create my life  not by any imaginary gods.”

“Then you agree that if all obeyed the Ten Commandments all would be good in the world? The powers that be, the Torah which is the law of God is in perfect working order today as you just testified.”

To be continued….

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