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My Guest Mr Atheist (4)

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CS-Theist: So how does time create? You almost make it sound like evolutionists have a time machine they put everything in so it can change into whatever fits their theory.

Atheist: Well..after so much time people adapt to their environment, you know they change to fit in. Time does work like a change-machine. Given enough time things change as different forms of life adapt to whatever situation it finds itself in.  Darwin discovered this amazing fact.  Billions of years ago there were no real humans, there were only savage crawling grunting beasts, but after a billion years had passed, the savage beast began to adapt to his surroundings. After a few billion more years passed he learned how to make fire to cook the fish he caught for example, he learned by trial and error. He finally learned how to walk on two feet instead of four.This process took billions of years to occur. Billions of years and we know this by dating rocks and stuff.

CS-Theist: Dating rocks? Like granite for example? But the ring halos testify differently to what you claim. ? Anyway….Adapt you say? Time worked this magic? So according to your argument a person doesn’t need to be fitted for eyeglasses he simply will adapt to his inability to see if given a billion years to adapt. Why are people still having vision problems? decaying teeth? Dying bodies? The Bible answers all this and so far you have not offered anything to this debate except that time did it all. How many beasts were there? Apparently millions had to have died under such harsh conditions, yet according to you out of these beasts some had enough intelligence to survive? What determined this? Where did this intelligence originate? Why did it appear? There has to be a reason. I myself do not believe things just happened. I wish you had more information. Could you explain why humans cannot adapt to darkness and pain and loneliness? Also why couldn’t he adapt to hunger instead of hunger becoming starvation than killing him? Why can’t he adapt to freezing weather such as is found in Antarctica? Why do some things kill him while other things help him? Why must he die from no food instead of adapting to eating no food? Why must he have warmth and most of all why must he need love? What caused this?

Atheist: No one knows it just happened that way as time passed. Time worked its magic and things just came into being. Time decided everything. I think some can adapt to loneliness and pain and darkness...given enough time. But we finally found a way to make light as in when we made candles and lamps so we could see in the darkness. We learned to accept things we could not change such as learning we must eat or we will die of starvation. It was all  trial and error. Darwin was the world’s greatest genius he discovered that we came from animals. But given billions of years we can change into humans. We have billions of fossils to prove this. Why they manufactured the Pilt-Down man to deceive the world is strange when there are literally billions and billions of fossils out there proving that man changed from a wild hairy grunting animals into a civilized modern-day man who eats with a fork.

CS- Theist: No one knows it just happened that way is not an answer. The Bible tells us why this is so. Evolution cannot. But you say it just happened that way. Can you imagine an accused person telling a judge he didn’t know why he murdered so and so it just happened that way?  Your answers lack scientific data.  So far you have not explained the who what when where why and how of anything. All your answers are time did it and it just happened that way. Being an empiricist I need solid and scientific data so I can understand. Time machines just are not my idea of an explanation why the human race is as it is. So you think it is great that we so-called evolved from beasts?

Atheist: Well not exactly what I meant. But this explains why there is savageness in all of us.  We are basically wild animals. Everyone is suspect of doing wrong. Well wrong as we call it now but billions of years ago they didn’t see it as wrong when they killed other humans to survive. They engaged in cannibalism, sexual perversions, and all sorts of uncivilized things just to survive. IE: If they stood at a river full of crocodiles and one of them was grabbed by a crocodile that dragged it in and ate it, his companions would just laugh instead of feeling sorrow and pain. They saw it as all animals do as simply life twists and turns.

CS-Theist: Oh? Sounds like you’re describing the ancient Canaanites whom God ordered the Israelites to kill without mercy because they were engaging in these exact things; cannibalism and sexual perversion. They were behaving as does the beasts. You are describing the very people God suffered not to live.  Yet you accuse God of being a bad God for killing these beasts. You are also describing modern-day man. He kills and he does it in various ways such as in wars,  or some get up close and personal, by strangling, shooting, beating other humans to death than lie about it. We don’t kill these killers now but arrest and lock them up for being out-of-order. Much of what you describe  sounds to me like Old Testament methods God employed to rid the world of those disobedient to the laws of God. Yet atheists continually criticize God for doing this, yet this is what you describe. Of course there were no billions of years involved but a few thousand. The very idea that the earth is billions of years old is absurd. Your so-called dating has been thoroughly refuted as in the halo rings found in granite which study proves evolution did not could not have happen.

Atheist: Everything I told you is scientific data. Evolution is a science. Darwin changed the world for the better because of his discovery that we all came from some lower form of life. We came from the same life form that cockroaches did. Anything that has life in it  is related to everything else with life in it. Man is nothing but a beast of the field and forest. He is an ape in many ways.

CS-Theist: And you don’t see the Bible as the answer to our beastly situation?

Atheist: No I don’t The Bible is nothing more than an outdated book written by ignorant goat-herders.

CS-Theist: A serious charge against what most of the world believes; that the Bible is the word of the living God. Explain your position and please provide proof. This time trick just doesn’t work for me. Science is logic, it is reason, it is precise indisputable data, and so far you have said nothing except that time created a universe for no apparent reason, with no purpose no goal it just simply happened as time passed. I just cannot accept that as science.

To be continued….

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Atheist Interview (5) Continues

“So your whole argument atheist basically is 1. God is non-existent. 2. Christians are delusional. Not a good argument against millennia of history which main subject is God and his acts. 3.You also imply that atheists are wiser and kinder than God. ie: He loves to see suffering but atheists don’t.

Reminds me of the old Jewish saying..If you see a crippled man go kick him for why should you be kinder than God?

Atheists want to end suffering and God doesn’t. Atheists love kids but God doesn’t. Atheists could have created a better world than he did. Insinuating that atheists can create something never before created and make it work forever. And God could not..”

“You tell me why would any sane god create a world of suffering?”

“I don’t know is my answer. I don’t think it is intelligent thinking to think that I am wiser and kinder than God. How in tarnation am I supposed to understand the one who created things that can literally blow the mind. When I look at a star I can tell that he is greater than me. I don’t need a written and signed affidavit from him.”

But this is what I heard from you. Let me ask you a question, do you believe that Alexander the great the king of Macedonia lived?”

“Yes I do.”

“Why”

“History says so.”

“What about Stonewall Jackson, do you think he existed?”

“Absolutely.”

“Napoleon?”

“Yes I do think these people lived. So now your next question is why don’t I believe Jesus existed?”

“No. My next question is since you never saw these people with your own eyes, never spoke to them never sat down with them, how could you know for a truth that the ones who wrote of them were not lying? How do you know this? You know how one of your leaders Richard Dawkins observed of liars, the world has no shortage of them. Sounds like selective faith to me that you choose to believe who existed and who did not..”

We know the human race has existed for some time since we are here. We are proof of that right? We are here!”

“Exactly we have solid proof of that! But proof of Jesus proof of God is non-existent.”

“Please explain how this could possibly make any sense. That faded documents mentioning certain individuals such as Homer or Buddha can be trusted as genuine and authentic, yet any documents about Jesus are false? Go ahead give it a shot.”

“The Bible cannot be considered a reliable document.”

Hey back to what I said earlier. Tell me why that the Hebrew nation would invent laws, the Torah, which is the law of Moses, also known as the Mosaic Code, to stone themselves to death for doing what they cannot help but do? Why? There is within the universe these questions that demand answers that can be answered..who what when where how and why. So tell me why. Later let’s get to who what when where and how.

This is where morals come from, this is where we learned right from wrong; from the law of Moses. It was not in us to know right from wrong. If you say it was then prove it.

Our very existence our nature discloses this. You know yourself that within the human being is the capacity for good or evil.

Read the news lately? There was a time when they lived by their instincts with no laws to guide them, whatever they felt to do they did. It is called nature, It is called being human. Ever hear of the original myth?

The laws which govern the universe were intact of course. But ancient people did not know except by actually experiencing it that eating poisonous mushroom will kill you. Or swallowing contaminated water will be your death. Do you know why gods were invented? I do. But you tell me.

There was a time when the human race knew nothing of itself. It lived as did the Canaanites who were sacrificing their babies to demons while engaging in disgusting sexual acts with each other. They had no sense of right and wrong. They simply acted according to their natural desires and low lusts with a lot of help from the dark demons spirits that inhabited them way back when. Ever hear of voodoo and witchcraft? Dark matter?”

“Then why did so called god create them when he knew they would to this? Doesn’t sound like love to me.”

“I don’t know. We need to go to Eden to learn about this. Adam and Eve were created in the image of God they were good. Nothing happened until the serpent came. We need to look at the serpent to understand this.

I don’t need to know every answer to why the universe is as it is. Why do you?

And why would you think knowing all that God knows would help you in any way? In my view this is delusional to think you should, or you deserve to understand all the workings or the universe.

To understand in your finiteness the infinite mind of God? Not to offend you, but This is the old story of Lucifer again in a modern tone. He wanted to be like the Most High. You know he wanted to know everything God knew, he wanted to understand and see all that God did. Where did it take him? We all know that his lust for all knowledge changed him from a beautiful angel into Satan the devil, you cannot go any lower than that. Who told you you could put God on trial?  Lucifer could have written a book or blog entitled Why I Left Being An Angel to Being the Devil.”

“Hey look I didn’t cause all this suffering and he could have prevented it but did not! If he does exist which I know he doesn’t he is not a good god.”

“You’re nicer than him right?”

To be continued…..where atheist explained in detail why he is an atheist.