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Reverend Faith Debates Dr Hotiarre

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Thank you Dr Hotiarre and Reverend Faith for agreeing to this debate. Now let us begin:

Reverend Faith: Dr Hotiarre you are a strong believer in evolution right?

Dr Hotiarre: I am.

Reverend Faith: You believe brains evolved?

Dr Hotiarre: I know they did. Billions of years ago my brain was the brain of a great silver back. I am the proud descendant of a smelly sex-crazed grunting killing ignorant disgusting beast.

Reverend Faith: So I take it that the human brain which you say evolved got its ability to think from the time-god?

Dr Hotiarre: Well not just from the time-god. But from environment also. From billions of years of trial and error. From billions of years of death and destruction. Yes man’s brain evolved. So did his capacity to think. At one time in earth’s dark mysterious history I could not think. All I could do was grunt. So you see how far we have come thanks to the time-god.

(Dr Hotiarre suddenly falls to the floor and begins to have a spasm. He jerks and salivates. He foams and grimaces. Then strangely begins to chant a eerie sounding jungle chant as he feverishly worships the time-god.) After about five minutes he appears to come back to reality. He does not apologize for his ghastly behavior, but says worshiping the time-god is part of his religion. He struggles back to his seat and composes himself without an ounce of shame or embarrassment.)

Reverend Faith: How long do these strange outbursts last when you fall to the floor to worship your time-god?

Dr Hotiarre: I never know when I will have an episode. I never can tell when I must fall to my knees with my face to the floor to worship the time-god who after billions of years changed me from a smelly sex-crazed beast into a degree laden doctor whose knowledge knows no bounds.

Reverend Faith: Do you believe that the same brain that evolved from an ape-brain to a human-brain evolved to invent and discover new drugs and medicines?

Dr Hotiarre: I do. For example when a scientist who is fully evolved from his grunting ancestors becomes a university degree holding scientist he goes to his lab to discover the cure for many diseases.

Reverend Faith: Like AIDS for example?

Dr Hotiarre: Yes science has discovered many drugs to destroy the AIDS virus. Or at least halt its destruction.

Reverend Faith: So what you say is that evolution tries to destroy itself?

Dr Hotiarre: I don’t understand.

Reverend Faith: You say that the brain evolved. You say that this same evolved brain then seeks to discover what will destroy AIDS; such as drugs. Yet it is evolution with the help of the time-god that made the brain that discovered the drugs to destroy the virus that is killing the host body. How does this make sense? You are basically saying that evolution is trying to eliminate itself. Why does evolved man try to destroy what brought it into existence in the first place to destroy its own evolving power?

Dr Hotiarre: Well as a scientist we realize that we evolved primates are one with the universe. But as we evolve into humans we understand more and more of our origins and our purpose on this particular planet. So we use our evolved brains that reason and think to destroy what tries to destroy us by disease and sickness. Hence we discover drugs that heal and halt disease.

Reverend Faith: So evolution fights itself? Why try to destroy what evolution created only to destroy and eliminate? If evolution doesn’t favor a certain one then why cumber it along?

Dr Hotiarre: As I said we are learning what we are. What the universe is. We are learning that some things are not acceptable. Disease is not acceptable.

Reverend Faith: Obviously evolution does not agree with you. Do you believe in prevention? Such as concerning the AIDS virus. Is there a reason it came into existence? Is there a certain host type it favors when it seeks to eliminate? Why does the evolved brain invent drugs to save what evolution obviously considers unfit? Evolution is all for to destroy the unfit. Explain how the same brain that evolution made seeks to invent drugs to save what evolution deems unfit to live?

To be continued….

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America Is Not A Christian Nation

David Barton is trying to nail jelly to his wall builders wall by spreading the notion that America is a Christian nation. Christians do not make a habit of committing sin. America does. Sin is America’s worst habit.

Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (1 John 3:9)

If Barton thinks that God saves nations, which he does not, he saves individuals who come to him in repentance, than why does America sin if it is a Christian nation? Because no one is perfect?

Be you therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. (Matthew 5:48)

Nowhere do the apostles teach that nations do not commit sin. God saves sinners not nations. He died for the human race.

For it became him, for whom [are] all things, and by whom [are] all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. (Hebrews 2:10)

We are made perfect through suffering not by possessing the greatest military on earth. Again if that were true as James Dobson implies that the more people you can kill with your army and weapons is a sign of God’s grace (favor), then all conquerors through the ages like Attila the Hun which was said of him, that the ground where his army of cutthroats thundered grass never grew again were favored men of God.

Barton thinks as so many that might is right and money is evidence of God’s grace. I was disappointed to read that James Dobson of Focus on the Family said that God favors America because he gave it the greatest military in the world.

So did God favor all the nations that totally decimated the Israelites and destroyed their temple and carried them away to pagan nations? These wicked nations had the military genius and power to overthrown God’s people Israel and they did.

What the world wants is no suffering. Let me into the kingdom of God without suffering. Let me in there with my accumulated wealth and riches. Let me in there to rule with my bombs. Please don’t ask me to suffer as a Christian. Once it was a shame to be a Christian now it is something to be proud of.

And they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for his name. (Acts 5:41)

America is as ancient Rome and Greece in their worship of many gods IE: food, money, fame, beauty, youth, sex and the list goes on of the many gods America worships. Mostly the god of self. In any nation.  Zeus and Baal were small compared to the god of self. When they weren’t bowing to Mars and Jupiter they were bowing to Zeus.

America is even as old pagan Babylon. Their only goal on earth was to SIN. To tattoo their entire body with one word:  SIN. Yes one can be wicked and prosper as did old Babylon and the famed Roman empire. Ask the Hebrew prophet Jeremiah who asked God in all his sufferings and discouragement, as he preached to Israel to repent, seeing the enemy live rich; why do the wicked prosper?

Righteous are you, O LORD, when I plead with you: yet let me talk with you of your judgments: Why does the way of the wicked prosper? why are all they happy that deal very treacherously? (Jeremiah 12:1)

Barton tries to advance the lie that America is great because it is holy.  That greatness and holiness are synonymous. That all the  founding fathers were professing Christians. Even if they were; following that logic that prosperity and greatness is holiness, then Rome was the most consecrated place on earth and its emperors were all men of faith and love. Was there any army greater than the Roman legions?

If greatness means God’s favor according to James Dobson reasoning, then all the ancient kingdoms that God overthrew in his anger were all righteous. Egypt was pagan and was great. And Egypt had no problem making the Israelites slaves for over four hundred years.  Furthermore..Egypt managed to keep the Israelites slaves for over four hundred years. They did it with whips and hard labor. So why would any people submit to such treatment? Why didn’t ancient Israel fight back? Didn’t they have any whips? Chariots?

Why were the enemies of Israel able to sweep right in take over and rule over them? Did not Israel have any means of defending themselves against these armies?

The Bible teaches the exact opposite of what Barton says. Barton’s presentation is that America is great because of its Christian heritage. Then James Dobson says that the proof America is favored by God is its weapons of mass destruction that God provided.  The notion that the humble Nazarene Jesus who was crucified by the mighty Romans, coerced by the steeped in tradition hypocrite stone carrying Jews, today provides weapons of mass destruction to destroy the very people he died to save is saying that God thinks like man. It is absurd and a great insult to a loving God who sent his Son to die for sinners to present God as a serial killer.


Then why was Israel the chosen nation of God so easily carried away to nations that held them captive if great armies is a sign of God’s favor?

And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? 55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. 56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them.

According to the Bible all the armies that defeated Israel were used of God to punish Israel not because he favored those nations by providing them weapons of mass destruction to defeat Israel.

Does America trump Israel? Is it because America is now Israel? The Israel of God? Why would God forsake his people? Paul says he did not. (Romans 11) But some say that the church based in America  is now Israel the Israel of God.

Yet the apostle Paul in his letter to the Romans says that he is a Jew and an Israelite. He is both. Though he was a Jew and an Israelite he was a Christian. He said God has not cast away his people.

1948 Israel is a modern-day sign that God did not cast away Israel. Fake Israel? Israel it is Israel and God will use it to accomplish his purpose for them and the world. Despite the gainsayers.

Of course we know that God punished Israel for its sins. This is the reason they suffered defeat. This is why they went into captivity. So are we to deduct that America is being used of God to punish nations? Now Israel is under another name America and is being used of God to punish other nations? Why else the great military? Why did Rome have the greatest military of its time? because it was favored by God? Then Egypt was favored also and so was Genghis Khan and Alexander the Great. If ruling over others by the means of deadly weapons than all the wicked nations of the ancient world were favored by God.

Yet the God of the Bible is always for the underdog.

Persia and Greece all great and all pagan. All  idolatrous nations that knew not Yahweh according to Barton’s thinking were righteous and this explains their greatness.

See what Barton is doing here by his lies that this nation is Christian, that the founding fathers were consecrated men of God? He is telling God and the world that if you prosper it is a sign of God’s favor. Any nation that does not have a great military and modern technology is not favored by God is Barton and Dobson’s thinking. The gist of their message is that God wants those nations destroyed not saved by the blood of his Son.

That greatness is holiness. That having the biggest gun is the favor of God.

What did Jesus say about this  notion that if you prosper it means God is blessing you for your holiness?

And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man’s life consists not in the abundance of the things which he possesses. (Luke 12:15)

If being rich and great is a sign of God’s favor then why did the rich man go to hell? Riches and prosperity have nothing to do with what God said of Christianity. It was Lazarus that God blessed and delivered from his torment

Behold, the nations [are] as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, he takes up the isles as a very little thing. (Isaiah 40:15) It is Christ who is holy not nations. Nations are to him a drop in a bucket.  America is just part of that drop.

The rich man went to hell not because he was rich but because he was a self-absorbed egomaniac who thought it was all about him. He refused to be saved and he refused to love even the least that was among him and his ilk.

To him one of the least was Lazarus the beggar. To the rich man Lazarus was a loser in life because he was not rich and educated. He was a poor beggar who begged for crumbs that fell from the rich man’s table. That is pretty pathetic to be as Lazarus was. Sores on his body that the dogs came and licked. Jesus did not say that Lazarus chased the dogs away from licking his sores. He just laid there and begged. The rich man just sat there and gorged himself with all the fine foods he could afford while dressed in purple.

Sounds like some of these false prophet preachers on television who take money from others so they could live themselves like rich men while the beggar Lazarus nations lay at their feet and beg for crumbs to eat.

What judgment is coming to them for their great and mighty sins when Jesus who died for all men to be saved tells them Depart from me I never you. I was in prison I was sick and I was poor and you never lifted one finger to help me. When Lord when did we do this to you will these hypocrites ask him. They are so blind to their own sins that they do not even see they are  the people Jesus referred to.

As someone said…Ask not for whom the bell tolls it tolls for thee.

Americans need to repent as do the Russians and Norwegians….in other words sinners need to repent.

The Israelites were the chosen nation of God. If God did not give them a great military to destroy men and nations where does that leave the rest of the nations that did not bring Christ into the world? Russia has a great military and so does North Korea. So does Iran and other nations. So does this mean that when we see nations acquire great destroying weapons it means that God is smiling on them?

How foolish to think that God creates weapons to destroy the very ones he sent his Son to save. Jesus said he did not come to destroy men’s lives but to save them. (NT) He told them You know not of what manner of spirit you are. So why would God give weapons of mass destruction to kill the very ones he died to redeem? The Bible says clearly that men are wise to do evil. (OT) God also said that men are the inventors of evil things. (OT) If the atomic bomb is not evil what is?

Only God is right and only he has might and only he is love.

To declare America favored by God than we must declare all the ancient pagan idolatrous heathen nations as favored by God. Rome with its millions of gods being the most loved and favored by God because of its greatness is the logic Barton thinks by.

To be continued….probably to edit

Guest Atheist (3)

Well…my time is up, so let us hear now from creation science theist as he debates atheist on what is time and how it does or does not have power to create.

CS-Theist: So please provide evidence that time has existed for zillions of years. Since recorded history only goes back to Eden there is no evidence time has existed beyond that. Documentation is evidence and the evidence we have is provided in the holy Bible, which records the genealogy of Jesus Christ. His ancestry is recorded through son, after son, after son, until it reaches the first man Adam. The Bible says that God personally himself created Adam. Right before that he said and he saw and that was that.

Atheist: We have proof by all we have discovered such as tons of fossils. Transitional fossils that show something turning into something else. There are fossils showing the evolution of goo into beast into ape into grunting half-man-half-animal to thinking man.  How would you explain Neanderthal man? He was an ancient grunting smelly  hunter gatherer. He was ignorant and his only instinct was to survive. His time was spent looking for food besides of course having more Neanderthal people. He is dated back to billions of years.

CS-Theist: My question was about time. Provide evidence that time has existed for billions of years.  Did time exist before the goo appeared? If so where is your evidence? Some evolution scientist who doesn’t believe in God saying it did is not evidence. Time is what we are living in right now. Time began at Genesis one where it says..”In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth….” That prepositional phrase there “in the beginning” is when time began and so did the human race. Heavens and the earth is space and matter. Claiming time existed billions of years is no claim at all since there is no proof. No evidence. No documentation.

Atheist: The universe is old and there is proof for that. I’ll get to that.

CS-Theist: If there was don’t you think there would be a record of it? You know someone would have written it down somewhere. Why is there no record of it? Why is evolution all guesses and theories with no written record? I know the evolutionists have been writing down their theories even as Darwin did for quite some time now. But the fact remains the Bible record came before their so-called records. There are hundreds of manuscripts of the Greek New Testament. There are the Dead Sea Scrolls. But nothing exists in all the records of the world that proves the earth is billions of years old.

Atheist: We have dating methods such as Uranium-thorium-lead dating. We have Potassium-argon dating along with Rubidium-strontium dating and so on. With these incredible methods we c an actually determine how old a fossil is, how old the earth, is how old the universe is.

CS-Theist: Time. My question is about time. If you claim that time has existed for billions perhaps trillions of years than why is there no proof for this? Why is that the records theists have have existed for millennia; in other words the ancients wrote down what they saw and experienced and preserved it for us who would come after. Why didn’t your ancient atheists do the same? Why would they neglect something so important as knowing the earth was billions of years old and writing it down? On a rock, a leaf, anything to tells us. Didn’t they have the intelligence to record any of their discoveries? But here you say you know all this simply because someone said so? I need evidence. I am an empiricist and must have proof. Can you imagine being an attorney and having nothing to present the court except a guess or a theory? You would be a laughing stock and the judge would not take you seriously. He no doubt would see you as mentally challenged.

Atheist: I have proof and will present it during the course of this debate. As for the grunting beasts keeping records. Actually they did not, could not. How could they write anything down when all they knew to do was grunt? They grunted, they multiplied, they ate,they slept they died and their fossils are with us today. Remember they were still walking on all fours. They had not evolved to even walking upright. Before that they were apes and before that they were crawling salivating heinous looking beasts and before that nothing but sticky goo on a distant shore waiting for time to do its creative miracles on them. They needed time and time would not disappoint.

CS-Theist: Do you realize what you’re saying? You’re saying that after billions upon billions of years nothing existed but grunting savage entities whose only instinct was to look for food and multiply? That time as the great creator you claim it to be did nothing for billions of years for these half-man-half animal things but make them grunt? Then die? Tell me how your time god can create a universe that operates according to flawless math principles from the beginning? That makes plants and vegetation, every type of herb and everything else in existence of exquisite beauty and purpose,  yet did nothing for these entities but make them grunt? And crawl on all fours for billions of years. You’re saying that the main thing, the most important entity in existence which is thinking man was nothing but a creeping crawling beast than smelly grunter for billions of years while all else flourished and improved without and around him. Please explain why time would so such a cruel thing to the beginning of humans while turning the earth on its axis in perfect order? Time made everything else perfectly yet left animal man to suffer and die for billions of years leaving nothing but rotting stinky corpses behind them as they exited a world they knew nothing about? Your time-god is cruel beyond description.

Atheist: Not cruel but wise so as to make sure the most important time creation man would someday be able to rule the world as man does now.

CS-Theist: You mean like rule as in  making wars and causing death and destruction in a world that is in desperate and dire straits to this day? One would think that after billions of years time could have done a better job. Please prove that time has existed for literally billions of years. Give me something to read that wasn’t written a hundred years ago. Also how long was a year? Was it twelve months as we know it to be before Genesis one told us? If not what was it and  how did time determine how long a year should be? How did these hideous creatures  live billions of years ago? Was there a moon a sun? Were there stars? How about; how did they measure time? Was there day and was there night? How about rain? Dew? Were there rivers? was there water for them to drink? Where was it?  Where were they? What did they eat? Animals? Fruit? Please tell me what was going on billions of years ago. And prove it. The truth is Time is what is moving forward right now and it exists only from Genesis one to Revelation of Jesus Christ to the chapter where the angel says that time shall be no more. Before that there was God and only he knows anything before Genesis one. Yet here you sit claiming to know what God did not even tell the human race. Incredible!

To be continued……

Earthquake Pearl Harbor Payback?

Luke 13:1 There were some present at that very time who told him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And he answered them, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans, because they suffered in this way? 3 No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them: do you think that they were worse offenders than all the others who lived in Jerusalem? 5. No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.”

And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one’s bands were loosed. (Acts 16:26)

Notice in this great earthquake that the prison doors were opened and everyone’s chains were loosed? God did this. God wants people free not locked in prisons. God wants people free not enslaved in any way.

Some of the Muslim world was celebrating when 9/11 happened seeing it as judgment from Allah on the great Satan..  But Jesus doesn’t see it that way. All the evil that takes place in America daily is proof that something is seriously wrong here in America . Disaster can come to anyone at anytime no person or nation is exempt from suffering and pain.

I’m sure  many have seen how some  tweeters and others online have said the earthquake in Japan is payback for Pearl Harbor.

As if the millions of lives lost and damaged with the horror of what was done to Hiroshima and Nagasaki is nothing to God. That all those souls he died  for was a mistake on God’s part. Seeing God as a fool who delights in causing pain and suffering.  But the truth of the matter is it is man  who does all this evil not God.

I wonder how these people who are mocking Japan’s pain and suffering account for Katrina.  The Gulf Oil Spill? Mine disasters? Who was God avenging then?  9/11?  Tornadoes? Floods?  Hurricanes? Wars and those MIA for years? Was this God’s karma on all those people, many of them Christians.

Disasters regularly hit America and the world square in the face.

Remember the 7.9 earthquake that hit the Bay area on October 17, 1989? A blessing on America? AIDS? God smiled his biggest smile when he sent AIDS to bless us?

Do they think God sent cancer as a blessing to America?  Death and destruction in many forms that suddenly appear out of nowhere to kill and destroy life and property in America. How do these mockers account for them? The fact is it is the result of sin in the universe.

A blessing from God on America? Or is God doing it to avenge someone he likes better?

How about serial killers that have been born, raised, and do all their killing here in America? There are so many one have to google it to find the number and that is just the ones caught.

All the abducted people reported as missing? Blessings or judgments or it just happened? Did God forget these children?

What about those evil people who abduct and rape and murder their victims right here in America? Sent from God to bless America?

According to them all the evil in America is a blessing from God. A big pat on America’s back from God for America being so holy. Disasters are in no way blessings.

Do they think 9/11 was a big surprise blessing from God to put happy faces on all the people who lost loved ones when the planes hit? And a “Don’t worry Be Happy t-shirt on all the dead  of 9/11.

Or what about America being number one in obesity and heart attacks? God is smiling at us?

Maybe  our national debt is what convinces them that America is special and exempt from the judgments of God.  How much America is loved throughout the world? Is this a blessing? Maybe it is our failing economy, unemployment, divorce rate,  poverty, children left behind, our war dead, diabetes, brain tumors, diabetes, leukemia, aneurysms,  anorexia, car wrecks that take thousand of lives yearly, teenage suicide,  alcoholism, divorces, jails, prisons, insane asylums, and cancer being misinterpreted as  bad things when in reality it is all a sign of God’s approval on America.

Big blessings sent by God to put big happy faces on the victims.

Should these folks who mock Japan’s pain and suffering from this earthquake see the drug problems, diseases, obesity, and the wild beasts (are now colonizing our nation)  as blessings from God?

I could go on and on listing the many evils that is destroying this nation but these few are enough to show that God is against SIN not people!

God said in his WORD:

The person who sins will die. A son will not be punished for his father’s sins, and a father will not be punished for his son’s sins. The righteousness of the righteous person will be his own, and the wickedness of the wicked person will be his own. (Ezekiel 18:20)

God only sends judgment on nations who neglect the poor and who mistreat the aliens, and neglect the widows and orphans. Those who reject his Son are the ones who will suffer his judgment.

Earthquakes and wars and famines and disease are here because of sin in the universe from the first time sin was committed.

Sin is a personal thing not a national one unless you happen to be ISRAEL.