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Atheist and Theist Again..(16)

Atheist: Okay you said.. So the beasts that survived in contrast to the smellier ones that died first were the fittest? That I said  they had affection for one another or how else could they mate? I agree that love creates not behaves beastly such as did these prehistoric monsters…Love is always in order and is decent as you say.

Theist: That is what I said.

Atheist: That it is as Paul said of it in 1 Corinthians 13. That love and lust have nothing in common. That it is only my opinion about the beasts; why they survived for billions of years because they were fit. Then you assert that if anything describes un-fit it is these beastly entities I claim were the ancestors of the human race: the race that seeks but one thing; to be happy.”

Theist: Yes again.

Atheist: Here is what you fail to understand. The hairy beasts did vaguely suspect something was up. They had to have possessed some self-awareness. They were aware they were. They were aware they needed certain things to survive. In all their snorting and grunting they still sought to live. They knew that air was their friend. I’m sure they felt hunger pangs and went in search of food. They clung to life but unfortunately they perished when time disposed of them.

Theist: How cruel your time-god. Its cruelty is unsurpassed.

Atheist: Regardless, how they knew that food was needed to alleviate their hunger produced discomfort is easy to understand. They had a need and they met it as best they could. But they had to die for beauty alone demanded it. How beauty could have existed along with these hairy beasts is remarkable don’t you think? It is hard to imagine such beasts existing among trees and flowers and lakes and valleys.

Theist: Right because beauty does not invite ugliness. My goodness have you never read Plato’s symposium? Live? These beasts had to live? Life and beastly survival are alike how? I understand what I understand but tell me how you understand it. To think a wild boar in the wilderness is living is nonsense. He is simply a beast that breathes. Yes he lives as that he has breath. But he dies as a beast leaving nothing behind but his dead carcass. To live is Christ is the truth of the ages.

Atheist: Your opinion.

Theist. I have proof. This holy truth did not come into play as you say certain chemicals did. It is the truth of ages the only truth. Chemicals that somehow were flung into the slot, into which for no apparent reason they fit, by mere chance after a stupendous unexplainable big bang is fiction. If any man have not Christ he is dead.

Atheist: That is debatable.

Theist Moving right along…These disgusting beasts did not live I tell you. It is not reasonable to think they did. What ruins your whole presentation is the time-god with its vicious unmerciful way of doing things. Time according to what I understand is the real beast in your evolution story.

Atheist: Gentle reminder…I am an atheist and do not believe in any deities. Back to the issue..Look time is necessary. It must pass. According to religion the Christ came just a couple of thousand years ago.

Theist: We have documents to prove this. It is the holy Bible. There are even secular sources that agree; Tacitus, Josephus and others. All existing immutable universal laws agree with the Mosaic Code.

Atheist: As for the homely creatures; These beasts lived billions of years ago in conditions so unmerciful it is a stupendous feat of nature they even survived as long as they did. I find it remarkable to say the least.Time might have even moved backward for all we know. There might have been time glitches happening because of the violence happening in deep space.

Theist: Excuse me time moves only forward. Why? because this is how God did it in the beginning. He said evening and morning were the first day and so on until seven days were created. Thus our week was created by his word. Sun moon stars…I don’t get your must pass unless you refer to time must pass into billions of years to turn Beastly Bongo into Dapper Dan.

Atheist: I suppose you could say that.

Theist: From grunt to coherency all because of time.

Atheist: Yep.

Theist: Time and Chance doesn’t do it.. It is not possible for something to come from nothing for no reason. There has to be a cause.  Common sense says this without invoking science. A child knows this basic fact of life. If you were to ask a four-year old if he believed something could come from nothing he would say no. He just knows. Kids have to be taught evolution until it becomes who they are. Their thinking is formed by it. It is the lie that is the enemy of truth. The truth that God loves us.

Atheist: This nothing but brainwashing at it worst.

Theist: Though evolutionists deny it there cannot be a watch without a watchmaker. There cannot be a building without a builder. Rewind back and tell me how suddenly this truth did not exist? It is not reasonable to look around and not know that everything in existence has a maker. Yet you travel in your imagination back to a supposed time and a maker isn’t needed. It is not logic nor reason to believe that. Things have to make sense.

Atheist: I will explain. Time must pass for these beasts to learn at least one thing. It took millenniums and millenniums for them to graduate from grunt to snort. It was a slow-moving world not like now when things move so fast due to all this improved thinking that invents amazing things.

Theist: Like bombs?

Atheist: You could say the beasts somehow understood that necessity is the mother of invention. What they needed they made. They went in search of what their instincts demanded. They needed food and killed to get it. Without a thought. They simply acted as did the forms in space changing into what they must for some mysterious reason into what they must be. Nothing directed any of it; it was all chance.

Theist: From grunt to snort they fiercely marched onward grunting and snorting killing and eating while blood dripped from their mouth to become human? I must say I never heard such imagination since I read first Darwin’s Origin of Species. No offense intended.

Atheist: No offense taken.

Theist: I will never believe that our loving God would waste billions of things to make one thing. It is like destroying a forest to make one toothpick from the trees. Lunacy. As you know the law of conservation is proof that the Creator wastes nothing. Not even our troubles  are wasted by him.

Atheist: So you say.

Theist: He uses whatever we have, or do and changes those things into what can be used for his own glory. To bless us if we trust in him. Water can become ice or steam.  Always remaining what it is. There is no waste.

Atheist: Waste does exist as in what happened to the heroic creatures of by-gone days. They were wasted yet were used by nature to evolve into something better.

Theist : So nature used them? How mean. Evolution teaches waste on scales so mammoth and monumental it turns into sadness. God said is the reason for all things. Paul said we understand by faith that the things we see were made of things we cannot see. What a perfect and beautiful explanation of the love and power of God. He simply spoke and it became.

Atheist: Picture it..In the deep dark regions of distant space things were happening. Galaxies were literally exploding with such force the universe literally tore in places creating strange  forms that stood still.  Holes so black and endless in-depth they bend light. Can you imagine darkness bending light? Then suddenly these violent moving forms began to take shape. They formed into planets and stars. They heaved and sighed with such voluminous power, all surrounding things that existed had to react in some way. This was evolution taking place.

Theist: You made all this up.

Atheist: The beasts that appeared billions of years later on our planet had some inkling they had to move forward also. They were in tune with the universe. Of course they did not consciously think this, they just somehow contained this within their beastly existence. But that knowledge somehow was conveyed to us via time. I guess you could say they did have a minute clue that something was definitely up.

Theist: Did you ever think of writing science fiction books? Your imagination makes the Event Horizon sound like a lullaby. Of course with all due respect to you as a fellow human being I respect your right to your thoughts. I believe none of this. But since we’re friends…

Atheist: See, you need to understand that it was later when love and emotions kicked in. The brain of these unimaginable ugly disgusting smelly sex crazed entities was not formed to think..yet. They simply existed as did their bodies.

Theist: As did their disgusting smelly hairy sweaty ugly nasty bodies?

Atheist:  yes…But It was simply breath in a beast and nothing more. They had no idea they were the forerunners of geniuses and scientists astronomers…you name it.

Theist: Go on…

Atheist: But in truth, these horrendously homely, disgusting, hairy, smelly, bad breath,  sex-crazed beasts are the undisputed champions and heroes of the human race. They went before us and unknowingly sacrificed themselves for us.

Theist: I am sure that In the beginning tells us this is precisely when time began.  Beginning is exactly that; the beginning. In that time start is when recorded history began.  We have documents, you don’t. Imagination cannot be considered fact. I can imagine fairies dancing on a lawn it doesn’t mean they  are there.

Atheist: Are you sure?

Theist: I’m positive. I can imagine a flying spaghetti monster, but it doesn’t mean it exists. The truth is we have documents that verify what we experience and see and feel and know. The sun and moon and stars came into existence by the spoken word of God. He said.

Atheist: I question the validity of the Bible for obvious reasons.

Theist: Obvious reasons? Name one. Back to what I was saying. God said and before that was eternity. Time is simply a tiny space between Genesis one and when the angel in the book of  Revelation of Jesus Christ says Time shall be no more. You say it just happened. The Bible says God said. It is imperative one understands the importance and truth of the creative power in God’s word. What God says happens. Why? Simply because he is God.

To be continued….

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Atheist 11

Theist: Tell more about the time-god’s victims  ; those smelly,  grunting,  disgusting,  hairy,  sexual perverted, cannibalistic beasts that the human race once was? I don’t believe a word of it but go ahead tell me anyway. It is very interesting.

Atheist: Well..look there was a time. Okay time was once far away from here. It was as I said billions of years ago. Apparently there was a sun moon stars galaxies. You know it was all here. But the savage beasts had barely learned to walk upright. They were simply living breathing things. Human they were not. They were animals only the animal they were had a different type brain. it was a little larger.

Theist: I marvel that you could believe such a thing. Okay so what made them “decide” to walk upright? I mean there had to be some motivation, some order of sorts to suddenly  cause them to walk upright. It is incredible and totally unbelievable that these wild men wannabes stopped hunching around and lifted themselves up. I would never laugh at your beliefs but give me a break here.

Atheist: Let me tell step by step what took place according to evolution.

Theist: Wait wait my friend…as you are describing your illustrious ancestors tell me how they managed to not be brutally killed by all the wild beasts? You know like bobcats and snakes? Oh yeah I forgot they were the wild beasts. But how is that these wild beastly smelly creatures evolved into men and other wild beasts such as bears lions tigers..you know animals of that sort did not evolve into humans? What determined that? Also why is evolution so unmercifully involved? In the Bible it is so simple and to the point, so lovely. It says that God created man in his image. I love it!

Atheist: Working with time were  certain laws such as genetics.

Theist: Forgive my ignorance but is that DNA and enzymes stuff like that?

Atheist: All of that was at play along with protein and molecules and amino acids.

Theist: Truly I have no idea what these things are. Oh did you hear the one about God and the evolution scientist? Are you willing to hear it?

Atheist: Yeah sure go ahead. I hope it is funny.

Theist: The scientist said to God..”If you really exist let us have a contest and both make a human being. God being the reasonable loving merciful Being he is agreed.  God scooped up some dirt to begin. The scientist took some amino acids. Then God said to him..Get your own amino acids.

Atheist: Okay I admit that is kinda funny.

Theist: So is this one. Did you hear about the dyslexic atheist who said There is no dog!?

Atheist: That one is not funny!

Theist: I read that making protein by chance is about as possible as finding the proverbial needle in a haystack. Only in this case the haystack would reach from earth to Sirius. It is as probable as dropping a pin on the ocean floor then trying to find it blindfolded with boxing gloves on.

Atheist: Exactly my point! That is why time is so all important when it comes to things changing into other things. After billions of years anything  is possible. I’m telling you one day on a far away land something came out of nothing. I admit that I have no idea how that happened. But I do believe it. It is the only explanation that makes sense the only thing that works with science.

Theist: Even Darwin himself said that he feared no fossils would ever be found. When did Darwin die? wasn’t it about 160 years ago or near that? To think protein appears and does its thing is so far-fetched no wonder evolution is taught in secret. They sneak it into textbooks like they did with that lie of the Piltdown man. Too  late it was taught for a generation to kids that were basically brainwashed to believe a lie. No offense intended to you.

Atheist: Time can do it.

Theist: Did you know that Fred Hoyle said that it takes 2000 different and very complex enzymes for a living organism to exist? Then he said that random shuffling processes could not even form one single one of these in 20 billion years. That is how impossible it is.

Atheist: However it did.

Theist; How did it did? I wish you had more information beside time did it.

Atheist: The reason why the disgusting repulsive perverted beasts evolved into humans and the other wild beasts did not is time did it using certain evolving substances and allowing them to naturally select where  they wanted to go..It is all explained by chance. I could play the lottery and there is a chance I would win.

Theist: But deep down you really don’t believe you would do you? You know the odds are so against you why even think of winning. Some people get depressed when they try and lose. It is  not a guarantee whereas God is.

Atheist: but say I bought a ticket each week for a billion years surely I would win.

Theist: You would have to have your descendants keep buying  tickets. Because you will run out of breath, we do run out of breath you know.

Atheist: I would like you to take a look at the fossil record.

Theist: Instead tell me about Nutcracker man.

To be continued….

Guest Atheist (3)

Well…my time is up, so let us hear now from creation science theist as he debates atheist on what is time and how it does or does not have power to create.

CS-Theist: So please provide evidence that time has existed for zillions of years. Since recorded history only goes back to Eden there is no evidence time has existed beyond that. Documentation is evidence and the evidence we have is provided in the holy Bible, which records the genealogy of Jesus Christ. His ancestry is recorded through son, after son, after son, until it reaches the first man Adam. The Bible says that God personally himself created Adam. Right before that he said and he saw and that was that.

Atheist: We have proof by all we have discovered such as tons of fossils. Transitional fossils that show something turning into something else. There are fossils showing the evolution of goo into beast into ape into grunting half-man-half-animal to thinking man.  How would you explain Neanderthal man? He was an ancient grunting smelly  hunter gatherer. He was ignorant and his only instinct was to survive. His time was spent looking for food besides of course having more Neanderthal people. He is dated back to billions of years.

CS-Theist: My question was about time. Provide evidence that time has existed for billions of years.  Did time exist before the goo appeared? If so where is your evidence? Some evolution scientist who doesn’t believe in God saying it did is not evidence. Time is what we are living in right now. Time began at Genesis one where it says..”In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth….” That prepositional phrase there “in the beginning” is when time began and so did the human race. Heavens and the earth is space and matter. Claiming time existed billions of years is no claim at all since there is no proof. No evidence. No documentation.

Atheist: The universe is old and there is proof for that. I’ll get to that.

CS-Theist: If there was don’t you think there would be a record of it? You know someone would have written it down somewhere. Why is there no record of it? Why is evolution all guesses and theories with no written record? I know the evolutionists have been writing down their theories even as Darwin did for quite some time now. But the fact remains the Bible record came before their so-called records. There are hundreds of manuscripts of the Greek New Testament. There are the Dead Sea Scrolls. But nothing exists in all the records of the world that proves the earth is billions of years old.

Atheist: We have dating methods such as Uranium-thorium-lead dating. We have Potassium-argon dating along with Rubidium-strontium dating and so on. With these incredible methods we c an actually determine how old a fossil is, how old the earth, is how old the universe is.

CS-Theist: Time. My question is about time. If you claim that time has existed for billions perhaps trillions of years than why is there no proof for this? Why is that the records theists have have existed for millennia; in other words the ancients wrote down what they saw and experienced and preserved it for us who would come after. Why didn’t your ancient atheists do the same? Why would they neglect something so important as knowing the earth was billions of years old and writing it down? On a rock, a leaf, anything to tells us. Didn’t they have the intelligence to record any of their discoveries? But here you say you know all this simply because someone said so? I need evidence. I am an empiricist and must have proof. Can you imagine being an attorney and having nothing to present the court except a guess or a theory? You would be a laughing stock and the judge would not take you seriously. He no doubt would see you as mentally challenged.

Atheist: I have proof and will present it during the course of this debate. As for the grunting beasts keeping records. Actually they did not, could not. How could they write anything down when all they knew to do was grunt? They grunted, they multiplied, they ate,they slept they died and their fossils are with us today. Remember they were still walking on all fours. They had not evolved to even walking upright. Before that they were apes and before that they were crawling salivating heinous looking beasts and before that nothing but sticky goo on a distant shore waiting for time to do its creative miracles on them. They needed time and time would not disappoint.

CS-Theist: Do you realize what you’re saying? You’re saying that after billions upon billions of years nothing existed but grunting savage entities whose only instinct was to look for food and multiply? That time as the great creator you claim it to be did nothing for billions of years for these half-man-half animal things but make them grunt? Then die? Tell me how your time god can create a universe that operates according to flawless math principles from the beginning? That makes plants and vegetation, every type of herb and everything else in existence of exquisite beauty and purpose,  yet did nothing for these entities but make them grunt? And crawl on all fours for billions of years. You’re saying that the main thing, the most important entity in existence which is thinking man was nothing but a creeping crawling beast than smelly grunter for billions of years while all else flourished and improved without and around him. Please explain why time would so such a cruel thing to the beginning of humans while turning the earth on its axis in perfect order? Time made everything else perfectly yet left animal man to suffer and die for billions of years leaving nothing but rotting stinky corpses behind them as they exited a world they knew nothing about? Your time-god is cruel beyond description.

Atheist: Not cruel but wise so as to make sure the most important time creation man would someday be able to rule the world as man does now.

CS-Theist: You mean like rule as in  making wars and causing death and destruction in a world that is in desperate and dire straits to this day? One would think that after billions of years time could have done a better job. Please prove that time has existed for literally billions of years. Give me something to read that wasn’t written a hundred years ago. Also how long was a year? Was it twelve months as we know it to be before Genesis one told us? If not what was it and  how did time determine how long a year should be? How did these hideous creatures  live billions of years ago? Was there a moon a sun? Were there stars? How about; how did they measure time? Was there day and was there night? How about rain? Dew? Were there rivers? was there water for them to drink? Where was it?  Where were they? What did they eat? Animals? Fruit? Please tell me what was going on billions of years ago. And prove it. The truth is Time is what is moving forward right now and it exists only from Genesis one to Revelation of Jesus Christ to the chapter where the angel says that time shall be no more. Before that there was God and only he knows anything before Genesis one. Yet here you sit claiming to know what God did not even tell the human race. Incredible!

To be continued……