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The Debaters (1)

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Ladies and gentlemen thank you all for coming tonight. Our speakers will debate whether science and the Bible have anything in common.

Our first speaker Dr Fuller O. Hotairre was educated in London, England at the prestigious university of higher learning Weighbridge. His knowledge knows no limit. His understanding defies human understanding. His wisdom defies the wise and learned..also

he attended the school of Socrates in Alexandria earning several degrees; where he later became  the highly respected Dean of students. He alone discovered that Greek philosophy when mixed with the teachings of Carl Jung with a pinch of Freud can raise one’s knowledge to  heights of ecstasy.

He has studied extensively and his knowledge is unsurpassed by any of his peers. Or by anyone for that matter.

He also served as the president of the college of Incredible Intelligence in Rome. While there in Rome the pope kissed his ring.

After that he earned degrees in every ology known to man. He presently is the respected president of the University of Learning So High that degrees from there can only be attained by a few whose IQ’s must be at least 198. He is fluent in seven languages. He has written over forty books which all have been best sellers.

He has been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts to educate the ignorant religious Bible thumping fundies. He works tirelessly to somehow convince them that they have been duped. He enjoys golf and traveling to places never before visited by humans. And he is only thirty-five years old. He calls himself an agtheist which is agnostic but technically a borderline atheist.

His Brilliance Dr Hotairre will now speak.

Dr Hotairre: Good evening ladies and gentlemen. My first presentation will be on unanswered prayer. God does not exist because I have never seen him. And my esteemed audience if I the magnificently educated Dr Hotiarre have not seen God, then he does not exist. I have never heard him with my perfectly healthy ears. I have never touched him. He simply is not here. He is not there. Ladies and gentlemen he is nowhere and not anywhere. He seems to be quite invisible as well as silent. He reigns from glory they say. But where is this glory? He wants praise from his prisoners. But why? Why praise him for an imperfect world? Could he with all his great awesome power have created a world without hurricanes and floods and tornadoes? yes. But he did not. Why? Because he did not want to is the simple answer…if he exists..which I am sure he does not exist. As the late great Alfred North Whitehead inquired why would any God want to be praised forever as does the Old Testament Yahweh?

But the greatest most convincing reason I am sure he does not exist is because he never answered one single prayer I prayed when I did believe in him. I read the Bible through and found nothing but contradictions. Oh yes my listeners I read it through.

I am disappointed it did not contain more information to solve our dilemma. What with all the blood, and smoking mountains, seas that mysteriously part, axes that mysteriously float, gore, wars, and incest, jealousy, idolatry, destroyed temples, wanderings, rapes, circumcisions, garden snakes,  misguided Egyptians, pathetic Persians, rowdy Romans, screaming pagans, confused Greeks, arrogant Assyrians, adultery, and murders, along with all the so called miracles it is a wonder these stories were preserved and handed down to the next generation of ignorant peasants who did not know their right hand from the left.

That is why I turned to science which has all the answers I need. But let us just take a little peek at the scriptures: For example who numbered Israel the Lord or Satan? It is maddening! There is no scientific reason that an axe would float. The Sea of Reeds has been searched thoroughly and not one chariot wheel has been found. Where are the stones Moses said the Ten Commandments were written on by the finger of God? There is not one shred of evidence that the Israelites wandered forty years in the wilderness. Where is the evidence for it?

It is absurd to believe that Elijah left here in a chariot. Science cannot support that the sun stood still at Joshua’s command.  It is not scientifically possible to produce the result Jacob did when he did his sheep experiment. I could go on and on naming one impossibility after another.

The notion that David killed a lion and a bear with his bare hands is absurd. Samson did not kill thousands of Philistines with the jawbone of an axe simply because there was no Sampson. What man needs is education. The world is in the condition it is in because of ignorance. It is a battle between those who have an education and those who need an education.

Thank you Dr Hotairre. We will now hear from Brother Happy.

Brother Happy: Hallelujah! Praise the Lord and thank you Jesus!

Glory to God! Praise the Lord for saving a wretch like me! I was lost and now am found. I was blind but now I see! I was full of hate and Jesus exchanged it for love! I was a sinner bound for hell. I am now saved and on my way to heaven.

to be continued in part 2…

My Guest Mr Atheist

Tonight our special guest is Mr Atheist. He was kind enough to join our panel of those debaters of the Does God exist panel of skeptics. Or as some atheist love to call our club In Search of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Hostess: Mr Atheist, let me begin with you…please tell the audience why you are an atheist?
Atheist: I’m an atheist because I do not believe in deities. I see no evidence for any god or gods. I am a free-thinker, an intelligent entity, an earth dwelling realist who sees things as they are, not by blind faith.
Hostess: Than please explain your take on the ancients who worshiped many gods?
Atheist: Back then those people were ignorant.
Hostess: Would you please elaborate. Calling people you never met ignorant is hardly an answer.
Atheist: They were ignorant of science. Enough said!
Hostess: Than describe science.
Atheist: Science is observation. It is fact that can be verified. Reality!
Hostess: Go on…
Atheist: Well that’s it! Science is fact that can be observed and verified, the state of knowing, knowledge as distinguished from stupidity or misunderstanding. Back in olden times people were basically dumb. They were ignorant of what was already here waiting to be discovered.
Hostess: So when they saw the sun as a god that was ignorance? You don’t see it that they saw what was there and understood it as they were able?
Atheist: Well..yeah but they were still ignorant….now we know what the sun is; a star in the vast immense stretches of a seemingly endless universe. We know what it is made of how it operates where it, is how far it is from us, and so on.
Hostess: So the Bible calling it the greater light to rule the day is the incorrect definition to you?
Atheist: Give me a massive break. The greater light to rule the day?Sounds like a fairy tale to me. We now know that the moon gets its light from the sun so it follows that the sun is not a great light but simply a ball of gas in the sky. We even know its temperature.
Hostess: First off, it gives light.  I don’t need to know its temperature to know it gives light and heat. Moving right along…What is its temperature and what thermometer did they use to take its temperature?
Atheist: They have ways to find this out such as studying its core and surface. In the spectral class label, G2 indicates its temperature (surface) of approximately 5778 K (5505 °C)
Hostess: Now that is hot! And you truly believe the sun evolved itself over billions of years for no apparent reason?
Atheist: Yes I do. I am certain of this. Science proves this.
Hostess: What was it before it became what it is now? What caused it to evolve? Where did it begin evolving? When and Why did it evolve? How did it evolve? According to you no Who is involved in this, when in fact there is a who, what, when,where, what, how, and why to everything. Like you for example…Who are you? Where did you come from? What are you? How are you? Why are you? When did you come to exist? There has to be a who for the sun’s existence. So who made the sun exist?
Atheist: Not true…Well there was nothing….than there was the Big Bang and from this bang all things came into existence. The sun was part of the explosion that went in all directions than settled to what it is now. The Sun is currently traveling through the Local Interstellar Cloud in the Local Bubble zone, within the inner rim of the Orion Arm of the Milky Way galaxy. Of the 50 stellar systems within 17 light-years from Earth (the closest being a red dwarf Proxima Centauri at approximately 4.2 light years away),
Hostess: Thanks for that bit of information so anyway…How do you think the sun knew where to place itself at a standstill if it is indeed standing still, you say it is traveling and when to stop getting hotter? Answer the who what when where how and why concerning the sun?
Atheist” All that was simply part of its evolving power.
Hostess: You know what prevented the sun to halt its self creation so it would not be too hot so as not to burn everything up? You know like us for example. What keeps it from coming too close to earth? How did it know how far to be from the earth? There had to be some intelligence involved I would say even kindness involved to keep the sun from killing us.
Atheist: It just happened that way no intelligence needed.
Hostess: You don’t understand there is intelligence involved, obviously.. also kindness since it can, it is able, but it does not burn us to death. Intelligence itself is what keeps it from burning us to death. What intelligence would there be in killing us?
Atheist: It evolved as did all things.
Hostess; I am an empiricist I need to know why it does not burn us up. What holds it in place? Who holds it there, and why, and how, and when, and what, and where? These  are regarded as basics in information-gathering. It is a formula for getting the “full” story on something. I mean I learned this in grade school.

To be continued….

The SUN our light? (2)

As a christian I cannot view the sun as real light. It is a created light. A light spoke into existence by God. The great light to rule the day. Natural? yes. Real? no. Christ is the true Light there is no other Light to Light men but Jesus Christ.

This true light that is God lights every man that comes into the world. That was the true Light, which lights every man that comes into the world. (John 1:19) Yet Jesus said to beware that the light that is in us be not darkness.Take heed therefore that the light which is in you be not darkness. (Luke 11:35)

Can light be darkness? Yes because Jesus said so.  That’s right he said so. Love others and walk in the light which is God’s love. Hate others and stumble in the darkness one can feel. That darkness that is evil that is terrifying that is death.

He said if the light that is in you be darkness how great is that darkness. But if your eye be evil, your whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you be darkness, how great is that darkness! (Matthew 6:23) He referred to the spiritual darkness that will overcome the man and shroud him in great darkness. If he reaches out his hand to iniquity.

How does the light that is in us when we are born, which is God, become darkness? Transgression against the laws of God. It is called sin.

No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon. (Matthew 6:24)

They may think they can serve God and Satan the world and the flesh, but they cannot do good and evil both and expect that light to shine. It cannot be. Satan will always compromise with God but God will never compromise with Satan. If evil is done the Lord cannot be there. He cannot be where sin and darkness are. Because he is LIGHT.

Atheists think that the world would be a better place without Christians. But without the Christians there would be that darkness Jesus Christ warned of.

Christ in the Christians is the light of the world.

1 John 1:5: This is the message which we have heard from him and announce to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him and walk in the darkness, we lie, and don’t tell the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ, his Son, cleanses us from all sin.

There is a darkness without the sun. If one could imagine a world without the sun he would see a terrifying world; a world of darkness and cold. I would imagine stark fear for one could not know what is there beside him. Or behind him or waiting to meet him. It is a fact that evil is present in the universe. It is real and without mercy. Darkness invites evil. Without the sun all things would die.

Evil men do their evil deeds in the darkness. They think they can hide there.

They lurk and wait in the darkness for their prey.

When one dies he goes where the sun doesn’t shine. There is no light beyond the grave. Jesus said he is the Light of the world. The world he said, but what of the other world that exists beyond the last breath?

Whoever has not considered his last breath has not considered. He who has not carefully regarded his life beyond his last breath has not regarded the fact that death is exactly that; death. Death is not the lack of existence it is the end of earthly awareness.

The sun is not our light. Christ is the true light and without him there is no light only darkness. No world can exist without the true light.

The world would be a dark cold terrifying place of instant death without the sun. Death for all life. Life comes from God alone it cannot be created in a lab or imagined into reality. Only God can create life. He is himself LIFE.

To die without the true light which is Jesus Christ,  is without doubt the great darkness Jesus warned of.

Don’t leave this world without Christ in you the hope of glory!

Christ in you, the hope of glory. (Colossians 1:27)


In him was life, and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness did not comprehend it.
[The light in every man shines in the darkness of man, pleading with him to forsake evil; but man in his darkness does not grasp what God is trying to explain to him.] (John 1:4-5)


 

The SUN our Light?

The Sun is the star at the center of the Solar System. It has a diameter of about 1,392,000 km, about 109 times that of Earth, and its mass (about 2×1030 kilograms, 330,000 times that of Earth) accounts for about 99.86% of the total mass of the Solar System.[10] About three quarters of the Sun’s mass consists of hydrogen, while the rest is mostly helium. Less than 2% consists of heavier elements, including oxygen, carbon, neon, iron, and others.[11] (from Wikipedia)

We all know what the SUN is, how much we need its light each day. It makes the flowers bloom. It makes the crops grow to provide us food.

Not only do we need its light but its warmth its comfort and its guiding power. Many people love the sun so much they get depressed when it hides behind a cloud. In some places where it rains alot they become depressed and long for the sun’s comforting healing rays.

I have heard some say when dark clouds hang overhead..”I wish the sun would come out.”  as if they do not have happiness if the sky is overcast. God made all seasons and all weather. We need to be thankful in them all.

In the beginning after God created the heavens and the earth as says Genesis one, the spirit of God moved upon the face of the deep, then GOD SAID let there be light.

And of course there was light after he said for light to be.

He made the greater light to rule the day. The lesser light to rule the night.

Two lights. Yes the moon gets her light from the sun so they say.

But that is not my point here.

Jesus Christ said I am the light of the world. In another place (Matthew 5:14) he said to those who heard him You are the light of the world.

Later on Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. The one who follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”(John 8:12)

We know he was not calling his listeners little suns or moons when he called them the light of the world. But he referred to himself as the Light of the world.

He means the light of his love and of his grace in those who believe in him. He is the light of life.

Which love and grace makes the path clear, that we may not stumble, as we follow him.

Walking in the light of his love and grace. Jesus is the true light the real light the only light. I always think of the sun as a physical light like when I turn on a lamp. I am always mindful that the sun is not the true light. Nor the light bulbs I use to light up a dark room true light.

A man lay dying of cancer in a hospital bed. He knew that he would not live. He asked to be taken to the window so he could see the sun one more time. He knew that when he passed from this world there was no sun where he was going.

Thankfully he had the light of Jesus in him when he asked to see the sun one more time. He had made his peace with God after a long and wicked life.

The sun is a physical ball of gas in the sky placed there by God when he spoke it into its existence. WE all know this.

In the grave there is no light. No sun to warm the heart and body.

How important it is to have the true light which is Christ in us. And when we die we will not pass into darkness.