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Adam and Eve Stupid? Part 2

That is it that is all we have. But enough to inform us there was a great fall.

We know God made the serpent a beast of the field.  We know he made him subtle and he made him with the ability to talk. Laugh all  you want if that is what you are doing.The only way to understand the Bible is to take it as God gave it to us; literally. To try to take it any other way is to invite imagination. And man’s imagination is evil therefore cannot be trusted.

And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. (Genesis 6:5)

Man’s imagination cannot be trusted to produce the right answer. This is exactly WHY God killed them all in the Flood. The only reason Noah and his family survived it was God gave them grace (favor) Or they would have drowned also.

(Even in the invention of drugs which science is responsible for people die from so many side effects and other complications. All this is basically caused by man’s imagination of what might work. There is never certainty about anything it comes up with. It always contains risks.)

Archaeology proves that there existed at one time in history creatures which do not exist now. It is not hard for me to believe that this serpent talked. Or the sun stood still. Or an axe floated. Or people raised from the dead. God can do anything! An ass spoke to Balaam the prophet.

We can be sure that 1+1 = 2. Imagining is taking this immutable law of math and saying it might not mean that after all.  But it will only lead to evil to imagine.

Man’s imagination is only evil so what does that tell us of what he dreams up?

God created the heaven and the earth. Literal as we can see. Yes we live on the literal earth he created. We can see the heaven plainly.  Also the day is literal as we can see. So is night literal as we can see. Also the trees and herbs, plants animals. The sun and moon and stars are literal as we can see. Everything God made is literal. This cannot be denied.

Then God makes man in his image; male and female created he them. This is literal. The world is filled with males and females. Literal babies were born to Adam and Eve. We know this is true by all the babies still being born today using the same method they used.

But for some, when we get to the trees in the garden God planted in Eden where he placed the man he created, everything changes to symbolic. Everything becomes strange and mysterious. Suddenly there is no way a serpent spoke. It was her conscience or it was temptation or whatever else they imagine the Bible meant.

Instead of simply taking God at his word they begin to imagine what could have been the sin Adam and Eve committed. It is always about sex. Of course they are implying they know more about it than Moses did who wrote this down.

Science claims there existed once animals that no longer exist. It is not only possible but it is certain this particular serpent did talk to Eve.  To wrest that around add to it and say it means such and such when it does not is nothing but imagination. Nothing to prove it true.

Disobedience is what they did.  God was disobeyed and man became alienated from God. This is all we need to know.

The serpent didn’t ask her he said to her Has God said…?

The devil is not omniscient. Only God knows all things. The devil is not omnipresent. This is why he walks to and fro as Peter said in his epistle. This information is first in Job when God asked Satan where he had come from? He answered that he was walking to and fro in the earth. He did not consider that God would take that statement record it in a book called Job so we could know how un-omnipresent he is. He is also not omnipotent or he would destroy the human race. The devil is no genius or intellect. His intellect is non-existent. He knows only to do three things.

Jesus said he comes to rob kill and destroy. He can do nothing else but these three things. However to do these three things he deceives the ignorant to do it for him.

He uses human bodies to destroy people places and things.

The great error here is not so much imagining what the sin could have been they committed. But that they are more informed than Moses about what it was is the greater error. The point of the message is they sinned against God. They disobeyed a clear and precise command from God who created them.

Is this stupidity? Consider…..

People will say “I ruined my entire life from all the stupid decisions I made.” when in fact they are saying “I ruined my entire life by all the sins I committed.”

Would an intelligent person go rob a bank? Would a person with half a brain get a gun, walk into a bank, point it at all the people in there, and order them to lie on the floor? Would an intelligent person do this? Then order the teller to fill the bag he hands over with cash?

We know the answer to that if we are in our right mind.

Would an intelligent person embezzle money from the company he works for?

So far the sins that are being committed here is stealing and hating others. If we love someone we don’t scare them half to death rob them and traumatize their lives. Not to mention placing yourself in the position of being arrested going to jail standing shackled before a judge and being sentenced to live in a cage.

God didn’t even put animals in cages. But he made them to roam free in the natural environment he in his wisdom knew they need to live and survive.

Yet people who sin are put in cages (jail cells)  like animals to be watched day and night so he doesn’t get out of his cage to do those things again. Add to that this fact; Cages can be literal or mental. Or both at the same time.

What person in his right mind gets married than cheats on their spouse? It would involve sneaking around. The cheat has to lie and pretend. If he is found out he ends up destroying his home his family.

How much intelligence is needed to do this? None because intelligence doesn’t do these things.

Then atheists dare call Christians stupid. Christians who devote their lives to not do stupid things such as I mentioned above. Christians are the most intelligent people on planet earth. (If they are obedient to God)

It is the fool who says in his heart there is no God not the Christians. (See my blog What I Believe An Atheist Isn’t)

So were Adam and Eve stupid? Yes they were to disobey God. It is nothing but utter and clear stupidity to do wrong. God calls it sin and this is what it is.

I do not as some think that the serpent who came to Eve was a man who had sex with her. I do not believe it was Adam and Eve having abnormal sex. I do not believe the tree was their mind and conscience. I do not believe it was a symbolic scene that could only be understood millennia later.

What sin did they commit?

Firstly  Sin is the transgression of the Law. The law that God handed down to Israel via Moses at Sinai.

Paul said:

2Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned— 13for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law. 14Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come. (Romans 5)

When Adam and Eve took of that tree of the knowledge of good and evil sin entered the world through them.  It only gets worse. Then death entered the world through the sin. They began to age to eventually die even as God said they would die if they ate of the tree he specifically and clearly and plainly commanded them not to eat of. Death is the wages of sin.

Plus their son Cain killed his brother. Why? The Bible is simple and clear why.

Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And why slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother’s righteous. (1 John 3:12)

Notice that Cain was of the wicked one but was not evil; his works were evil. What Cain chose to do was evil not Cain himself. Eve said she got Cain from the Lord. (Some say he was sired by Satan which is non Biblical) So did God give Eve an evil son? No God gave them a son. Cain chose to do wrong.  Cain thought to bring the wrong sacrifice and Abel did not. The mind can imagine and the mind will get it wrong every time. This is why it is all important to simply obey God.

Cain did not think right. Obviously.

Paul said that death reigned from the time of Adam to Moses even over those who did NOT sin by breaking a command as did Adam…who was a pattern of the Messiah who was to come.

All was fine until the serpent came.  What wrong did they do?  The exact opposite of what God said. They could not have transgressed the law of Moses since no law existed. They disobeyed a direct command from God.

This was their sin. They were not able to obey the command. Made in the image of God they disobeyed. How could this be? The answer lies in why Jesus came to atone for us.

To be continued….


Guest Atheist (3)

Well…my time is up, so let us hear now from creation science theist as he debates atheist on what is time and how it does or does not have power to create.

CS-Theist: So please provide evidence that time has existed for zillions of years. Since recorded history only goes back to Eden there is no evidence time has existed beyond that. Documentation is evidence and the evidence we have is provided in the holy Bible, which records the genealogy of Jesus Christ. His ancestry is recorded through son, after son, after son, until it reaches the first man Adam. The Bible says that God personally himself created Adam. Right before that he said and he saw and that was that.

Atheist: We have proof by all we have discovered such as tons of fossils. Transitional fossils that show something turning into something else. There are fossils showing the evolution of goo into beast into ape into grunting half-man-half-animal to thinking man.  How would you explain Neanderthal man? He was an ancient grunting smelly  hunter gatherer. He was ignorant and his only instinct was to survive. His time was spent looking for food besides of course having more Neanderthal people. He is dated back to billions of years.

CS-Theist: My question was about time. Provide evidence that time has existed for billions of years.  Did time exist before the goo appeared? If so where is your evidence? Some evolution scientist who doesn’t believe in God saying it did is not evidence. Time is what we are living in right now. Time began at Genesis one where it says..”In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth….” That prepositional phrase there “in the beginning” is when time began and so did the human race. Heavens and the earth is space and matter. Claiming time existed billions of years is no claim at all since there is no proof. No evidence. No documentation.

Atheist: The universe is old and there is proof for that. I’ll get to that.

CS-Theist: If there was don’t you think there would be a record of it? You know someone would have written it down somewhere. Why is there no record of it? Why is evolution all guesses and theories with no written record? I know the evolutionists have been writing down their theories even as Darwin did for quite some time now. But the fact remains the Bible record came before their so-called records. There are hundreds of manuscripts of the Greek New Testament. There are the Dead Sea Scrolls. But nothing exists in all the records of the world that proves the earth is billions of years old.

Atheist: We have dating methods such as Uranium-thorium-lead dating. We have Potassium-argon dating along with Rubidium-strontium dating and so on. With these incredible methods we c an actually determine how old a fossil is, how old the earth, is how old the universe is.

CS-Theist: Time. My question is about time. If you claim that time has existed for billions perhaps trillions of years than why is there no proof for this? Why is that the records theists have have existed for millennia; in other words the ancients wrote down what they saw and experienced and preserved it for us who would come after. Why didn’t your ancient atheists do the same? Why would they neglect something so important as knowing the earth was billions of years old and writing it down? On a rock, a leaf, anything to tells us. Didn’t they have the intelligence to record any of their discoveries? But here you say you know all this simply because someone said so? I need evidence. I am an empiricist and must have proof. Can you imagine being an attorney and having nothing to present the court except a guess or a theory? You would be a laughing stock and the judge would not take you seriously. He no doubt would see you as mentally challenged.

Atheist: I have proof and will present it during the course of this debate. As for the grunting beasts keeping records. Actually they did not, could not. How could they write anything down when all they knew to do was grunt? They grunted, they multiplied, they ate,they slept they died and their fossils are with us today. Remember they were still walking on all fours. They had not evolved to even walking upright. Before that they were apes and before that they were crawling salivating heinous looking beasts and before that nothing but sticky goo on a distant shore waiting for time to do its creative miracles on them. They needed time and time would not disappoint.

CS-Theist: Do you realize what you’re saying? You’re saying that after billions upon billions of years nothing existed but grunting savage entities whose only instinct was to look for food and multiply? That time as the great creator you claim it to be did nothing for billions of years for these half-man-half animal things but make them grunt? Then die? Tell me how your time god can create a universe that operates according to flawless math principles from the beginning? That makes plants and vegetation, every type of herb and everything else in existence of exquisite beauty and purpose,  yet did nothing for these entities but make them grunt? And crawl on all fours for billions of years. You’re saying that the main thing, the most important entity in existence which is thinking man was nothing but a creeping crawling beast than smelly grunter for billions of years while all else flourished and improved without and around him. Please explain why time would so such a cruel thing to the beginning of humans while turning the earth on its axis in perfect order? Time made everything else perfectly yet left animal man to suffer and die for billions of years leaving nothing but rotting stinky corpses behind them as they exited a world they knew nothing about? Your time-god is cruel beyond description.

Atheist: Not cruel but wise so as to make sure the most important time creation man would someday be able to rule the world as man does now.

CS-Theist: You mean like rule as in  making wars and causing death and destruction in a world that is in desperate and dire straits to this day? One would think that after billions of years time could have done a better job. Please prove that time has existed for literally billions of years. Give me something to read that wasn’t written a hundred years ago. Also how long was a year? Was it twelve months as we know it to be before Genesis one told us? If not what was it and  how did time determine how long a year should be? How did these hideous creatures  live billions of years ago? Was there a moon a sun? Were there stars? How about; how did they measure time? Was there day and was there night? How about rain? Dew? Were there rivers? was there water for them to drink? Where was it?  Where were they? What did they eat? Animals? Fruit? Please tell me what was going on billions of years ago. And prove it. The truth is Time is what is moving forward right now and it exists only from Genesis one to Revelation of Jesus Christ to the chapter where the angel says that time shall be no more. Before that there was God and only he knows anything before Genesis one. Yet here you sit claiming to know what God did not even tell the human race. Incredible!

To be continued……